Tuesday, March 30, 2010

The Golden Boy

I'm on Spring Break this week, which translates into my wife's language as, "Hot Damn, I can give him a list of things that's at least 4,000 times larger than usual! Time's a'wastin." Therefore, I might not be posting as much to the blog as I'd like. I guess I'll need to go back to work in order to free up some spare time...

I was planning to create a blog yesterday about all the blooms that have popped out, and how we're on the local Floral Trail of homes. But, "the list" got the best of me. Then, I was going to create a blog today about a conversation we overheard last night at a restaurant full of really, really bad Southern accent imitations. But, bucslim diverted my attention with one of his comments about Listverse on the previous blog, so I guess you can say a different type of "list" got the best of me this time.

"Cubby" made an observation about Listverse that rings true with me concerning the downward spiral. I do remember a time when I couldn't wait to get on Listverse to join in with a dozen different conversations that were all heading in epic directions. Although I've never liked the comments section of the Mainsite, I always felt like the Forum was where the grownups played, and common-sense decorum prevailed. However, at one point, I noticed a "youthful" attitude that began creeping into the language and demeanor of the mods and some of our newer members. I'd seen that happen before in other places, and I was concerned.

As we all know, things happened and transpired. When I left the Listverse Forums, I really left for good, and I haven't been back since that final week when I logged on to capture some of my posts and delete my photos. Therefore, I don't have any idea as to what has been happening since then, and it's not a topic that has come up with any of my old friends. A good Southern gentleman doesn't linger, whine, and wallow. Instead, he knows how to stick to his word, gather up his dignity, and move on.

However, Cubby's comments made me wonder whether or not us old-timers had the rug pulled out from under us, or whether or not we were just too old and stubborn to adapt and evolve. I don't know. But consider this:

At our favorite restaurant, one of the original managers left two weeks ago in a huge blow-up. He was one of the first three managers, and he's one of the owners of the company that was set up to run the corporation (they now have three restaurants going strong since that original one opened in 1991). He always had his pick of the best shifts, and he was always off every Saturday and Sunday - he'd earned it. He was fairly brutal to work for, but he had to be in order to keep his college student employees in line. Suddenly, two weeks ago, he missed a manager's meeting, and reacted with a nuclear explosion when the owner called him on it. As she saw that he was deeply upset, she tried to back down, but before she could retreat, he quit and walked out. Nineteen years with the company were gone just like that. He has a wife and two kids - one of whom is special needs. He landed on his feet several days later by landing a manager's post at a local pizza place, but everybody at the old place was hurt and bewildered. Nobody saw it coming.

As my wife and I talked it over yesterday with the owner, my wife began to notice a pattern. She wondered if perhaps he was feeling a little left out since all of the new managers and shift leaders were much younger than he. Suddenly, a lightbulb went off over the owner's head, and she exclaimed, "Oh my God, that's it!"

ALthough this guy had been there since the beginning, he'd developed a reputation among all the employees as the least flexible person in the whole company. It was so bad that you just knew not to approach himm with anything that involved "changes." While all the other newer managers were coming up with all kinds of fresh, innovative ideas to grow the company and expand, he was getting left further and further behind. The older guy just wanted to be left alone and enjoy all the great times he'd been having all these years without having to ruin everything with all those damn changes.

The owner told us that in one of their brief arguments over his departure, he quipped, "I guess I'm just not the Golden Boy anymore," and she didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. But after my wife's insight, it all made sense to her. The owner realized she'd been showing clear favoritism and open praise to the team members who were willing to change, adapt, and move forward, and this guy was being totally left out.

So, is this what happened at Listverse? Were the old-timers bumped out by newbies who didn't respect our history, or were we victims of our own sedation?

Thoughts?

5 comments:

  1. I'd have to say it's a little of both and a lot of stubbornness. We had a choice as old-timers to continue on as we always had despite the changing demographic. We did not have to adopt the different style that followed the influx of younger posters. We did have to adapt a bit though and that involves change which I know gets harder and harder for me as I grow older. I do still visit the forums though I don't post as much as I used to. Most of the younger crowd has piddled away. They were looking for something new and exciting and when the newness went away, so did they. I think us old-timers (if I can speak for us all) had a different outlook when we found the forums. We discovered a place that felt safe and developed some amazing friendships along the way. We were looking for stability and interaction that stimulated our minds and egos, not just some quick entertainment. As long as they weren't tearing it up, we should have ignored the new kids on the lawn. History has shown they quickly wander off. But woulda, coulda, shouldas don't change the fact that the family was fractured and core members were lost, changing the forum forever. I know most of that didn't happen because of the new members but their presence planted a seed of change that was frankly scary to most of us. I think it made it easier to detach from the forums when things blew up.

    I sincerely wish you hadn't left, Warrrr. I looked forward to your intelligent musings and stories and the follow-up comments from everyone. You started a lot of threads that got people thinking and talking. It's unfortunate that people who don't understand how to get along in polite society came in and turned that thinking and talking into personal attacks and campaigns. It's also unfortunate that you didn't get the support you felt you should have received. The open communication that was so refreshing and inviting in the beginning was what ultimately lead to the forums downward turn. I have to say stubbornness played a large role as well though. Sometimes sticking to our words means sticking to a poor or bad decision or one we later come to regret. I'm not saying this is or isn't your situation, Warrrr. I've shared my thoughts on the whole thing with you and I'm sure you understood what I meant as I understood your feelings. Ok, that was horribly long-winded and I apologize. I hope it made sense as I am a bit sleep deprived and on the verge of a nap. I mostly just want to let you know I miss your presence on the forums and wish you felt you could/wanted to come back. Until my wishes come true (I'm still waiting on a bunch of them so I'm not holding my breath), I'm glad you started this blog. :)

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  2. Some of this Cheeshy already said but I typed this before I read her post. Also I finally figured out how to comment on here and need something to say :)

    The LV forums are pretty dead now. The 4 or 5 of us that still post regularly have been around for awhile so it definitely hasn't been taken over by newbies. The comment section on the main site got pretty ugly for awhile with an overabundance of trolls. Now they've made it so you have to register which has made the comment section much better but also much shorter. IRC (which I know you never cared for anyway Warrrr) is also pretty dead, at least in the evening when I'm on.

    I guess the reason I'm still around on LV is that I haven't found a good replacement. Everyone seems to have moved over to Facebook which I'm on too, but it just isn't doing it for me. The discussion and interaction we had on LV just isn't there. I miss the good old days of LV which for me was less then a year ago.

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  3. A word of explanation if you didn't catch it elsewhere - My nickname since 7th grade has been Cub - Cubby. A good friend of mine in college and I started saying stuff backwards - my last name is Mills, so when he came up with bucslim, well that was my secondary nickname.

    I mean, it wasn't like we had girlfriends or anything to entertain ourselves. . . So that's the reason for the two names. I also respond to 'Hey Asshole' which was a favorite of my ex wife.

    Anyhoo, pertaining to the subject at hand, I was a johnny-come-lately to the forums. I cut my teeth on the mainsite comment section. As I hinted at on my earlier post, my favorite pastime was to come into a heated exchange and see if I could get some yucks, chuckles, titters and/or snorts. I've seen other website comment sections go to the volcanic stage (pajiba.com - a movie snark site) and some people on that website say the darndest things. I wanted to emulate that on listverse. I know a lot of people who were forum dwellers couldn't stand the meanies on the mainsite, but my juvenile sense of decency sort of made me interested in some of the dust ups - when they weren't directed at me.

    On more than one occasion the devil incarnate Randall pointed both barrels at me with weapons set to 'go fuck yourself' and he said some of the most ridiculous, naive and ignorant things, I know, shocking, right? Well I wasn't going to back down and play nice. He told me to fuck off several times etc. etc. etc. He's a liberal, I'm a conservative. We're gonna fight. But later he sent me a PM and apologized and we've played nice until he dug his shitty heels into warr. He wanted me to weigh in on that discussion, but I said I'd lay his ass out for insulting my friends, but I just wasn't interested in another fight. They closed the thread, warr left and the forums pretty much have withered.

    So I went back to the mainsite to continue my legacy. Right about that time El the Erf showed up and started to spread his stupidity. I don't really have a beef with him except he tried to impersonate me for a week or two. And I'm not blaming him solely for the bland nature of the mainsite comments, but he's typical of what's going on there too. Uninteresting, bland and banal, and let's not forget, stupid.

    I miss the early days, I miss the fun banter, and yes, I miss the stuff in the forums, even though I wasn't an part of it for long. I'm not going to make any announcements about leaving and I'll probably stick with it for the time being, but we really had something for a couple of years. And I felt like I was part of a family. I made some great friends, callie, angelina, warr, cheeshy, oochan, rushfan, yes you too shifty. Sucks that it's faded.

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  4. Ditto for me. I think Cheeshy, Shifty and Buc summed it up perfectly.

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  5. My mommy was wrong. Wishes can come true. Oh happy day!!!

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